last mountain lion killed in new hampshire

I was at the Sentinel as a reporter there for about four years and during that time I probably wrote close to a half dozen stories or so on this topic including a lengthy feature at one point that in which I spoke to several people from around the banana region claimed to have seen mountain lions that at one time or another. Does not test random Scouts. So they're not afraid of humans and they'll show up like a regular housecat. I mean it wasn't your idea. Women control our lives. Sam Evans-Brown: But I mean the video I had been sent was you know a recording of a animal growling but it was in slow motion and when I asked the person why is this in slow motion the denied that it was so there's a lot of weird stuff that happens in regards to people claiming they've seen they've seen these things. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof mountain lions live in the state, yet residents from Bedford to Berlin have been reporting sightings for years. The engineers Dan Colgan our senior producer is Allan Grimm. So take care of this problem. Sam Evans-Brown: You know the North America had a number of large predator species when humans first arrived in the continent. You know interactions are pretty unusual. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. Can you tell us about that story. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred years, says Mark Elbroch, the Puma Program Director for Panthera, a global wild cat conservation organization, So even the folks who live with mountain lions still have a fancy and see something thats not there to me thats incredible.. Patrick Tate: So I just got to throw a little interesting side note in this. It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. I'm Peter Biello in for Laura NOI. I mean they're a survivor. We're going to talk a little bit more about habitat first but then we'll get into sightings. He was just walking along the river then went up into the woods . Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. Seems reasonable! Somewhere the way they travel the things they do they're going to leave evidence. And so maybe before I go to you recommend I ask you Patrick Tate is the standard too high. There's these animals aren't coming with a map saying oh I want to go here. And so far we have not had any positive mark lion scats or any DNA. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Despite numerous reports, the NH Fish and Game Department continues to have no physical evidence of mountain lion presence in the state. Rick van de Poll: Yes. So so it is possible in Maine to still to to to have one but you have to be sort of professional handler as it were. So one thing that I find fascinating about this Connecticut cat was six months between the New York situation where they found evidence of it too when it was hit by a motor vehicle. They are the same thing. Peter Biello: So if they were female mountain lions here they would be more males just because that's what they're looking for. Okay. Peter Biello: Well Karl Jarvis a former reporter for The King's son Nile thank you very much for for calling in and sharing your perspective and to his point Patrick T. I mean yes we haven't met the scientific burden of proof here in New Hampshire as far as physical evidence is is concerned but is there room at Fish and Game For A kind of an informal nod to all of the people who have somehow convinced themselves and possibly some others that yeah there may be occasional sightings here. What do you think that. That's why we always go back to the physical evidence to support what they're reporting. And today we're talking about the mysterious elusive mountain line with folks who know something about it. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. So we tossed these terms around but really the term subspecies has been sort of redefined in our lifetimes. Thank you very much for being here. Just one quick point I think I think when we we talk about these conspiracy theories the real story is that fish and game is an agency that that is short on budget and staff. Our guests today Patrick Tate New Hampshire Fish and Game Wildlife biologist Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in. OK. Rick van de Poll: Rick and I would add that if a mountain lion male takes up residence and successfully finds a female as pets there's gonna be a lot more evidence there will be like deer carcasses up in trees and territorial marking and claw marks and tracks and it you know dispersal is gonna be very tough to see or observed but residential parrots a totally different story. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. Monday, December 5th: Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? Caller: I do. By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Right. Yeah I did. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Cougars are believed to have died off in New Hampshire in the 1880s after deforestation and hunting drove them to extinction, according to the 1950s book "A History of New Hampshire Game. You've got you've got biologists right who are trying to make their make their way in the world make a career if you are the biologists who confirmed a sighting of mountain lions in the state that would be very good for you like you would be all over the news. Let's go now to to Kyle in Keene I believe Kyle is this Kyle Jarvis from the Keene Sentinel a former reporter and former reporter. Peter Biello: We got an e-mail question from Robert in Epsom who asks are sightings or encounters with these big cats less dangerous here where they're passing through than out west where those same mountain lines might be establishing territory Rick. After apparently trying unsuccessfully to get the young lion to leave, the man decided to shoot it. Tim Yeah. Which which I think Pat and I have both experienced. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. (Cue the X-Files music: The Government is denying the cougars exist!) This decision was primarily for nerdy phylogeny reasons, though, because the eastern cougar probably never existed. Some argue that it's a leap of faith. People go through great lengths to create hoaxes like this. My wife and I saw a mountain lion. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. So now what's going on. That's pretty elaborate. In fact, Pat Tate concedes that hes been told of sightings from folks that he considers to be very credible, very woods savvypeople who know what a bobcat looks likebut those folks have never snapped a good photo or found a good track. Caller: I have yeah. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. So. But you can continue the conversation on Facebook or at our Web site and HP Borg. Fear for others and those two polarizing opinions on the situation is what I believe brings out mystique and Sam you know I take kind of a long view on this. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. There is some information that suggests that it spent a portion of its time in Massachusetts near the Claiborne reservoir. A young male cougar weighing about 40 pounds was shot and killed this week near Whiteclay, Nebraska. If it's just in the middle of a greenfield you can't prove anything. Thank you. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. Share. So one thing I'd point out is we've been talking about situations with no evidence a number of them come in with photographs and yet what they fit what they description of the animal they saw and by the way I got a picture of what I saw. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. So for me as a person who's had the Bobcats right off my grits similar carries sticks to a bobcat The Long Tail obviously very different but those facial markings were overlapping for me. And there are thousands of mountain lions killed every year legally through hunting, and there have been untold tens of thousands of mountain lions killed by hunters over the last hundred. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. Just. In Vermont, it was 1881. So that did it for me. Caller: Oh hi. Anytime at any HP broad dot org or subscribe to our podcast search Apple podcasts Google Play or stitcher for an HP bar exchange. They're very loyal to what the handler which makes them very dangerous to everyone else. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. PublishedNovember 16, 2018 at 6:16 AM EST. And I was probably about a half a mile from downtown all village on the right. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. Sam Evans-Brown: So Tim so this cat's been been referenced a couple of times I think we should talk about it specifically lay the whole story out for folks who haven't heard the story because it's actually I think really indicative of a lot of stuff for talking about. I actually been interviewed a couple of times by reporters and with all due respect for the media you know facts aren't always communicated correctly. Fish and Game looked into the labs to have them confirm the information in the reports which the labs did not. They get a lot of media attention but compared to the the amount of times that a mountain lion could attack a person but doesn't because they don't typically view us as prey. OK. That location they just described we had two or three Bobcats radio collared on just off the runway in Laconia airport. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. Or years or so. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. We discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. We did a short segment about mountain lion sightings earlier this year and and after which I was sent a photo and also a video recording that was mostly just audio because it was so dark the photo just a quick reverse Google image search you can put images online and see where else where else they've been posted revealed that the photo had been taking out taken out in Wyoming and has been used you know hundreds of times to claim and the person who sent it to me said it had been taken New Hampshire. It was some sort of a Lion Mountain Lion animal. We're not in the woods. Today on the exchange we discuss what residents may have been seeing and what breeding mountain lion pairs would mean for our ecosystem. Peter Biello: Listeners give us a call if you have a question or a story of a sighting 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. What gets confusing is when you have a large adult animal and a smaller juvenile animal of a different species you can now step start beginning talking about overlapping body weights and sizes. And it's not really strong. So nowadays we think of this in the Northeast as crazy stuff that people have a mountain lion as a pet. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. Pat what do you think the mystique of the mountain lion. Peter Biello: Oh okay. Jun 13, 2011. Thank you. What kind of animal is that. Patrick Tate: It became a very interesting investigation over time because it started becoming. The one confirmed case, sometimes referred to as the " Connecticut Mountain Lion " happened in June 2011 when an SUV struck and killed a cougar in Milford. 1 800 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. Rick van de Poll: Rick van de Poll so I was a non-believer as well. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain lion sightings in the Northeast, although most have been thought to be escaped captive animals. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Thanks for calling. 50 feet above the most. When the federal Endangered Species Act came along, the Eastern Cougar (Puma concolor cougar), the subspecies of Mountain Lon ti hat orgi inally occurred DNA from scat or from fur, a clear track that is confirmed by an expert, or a photo that clearly shows a mountain lion. Gotcha, so the Deep State is suppressing mountain lion news in order to prop up New Hampshire tourism? And a lot of people around the county airport have seen a lot of pilots coming in said they saw huge. You know I think it's there's a lady Holly Ernst out in California who has done a lot of the genotyping of mountain lions in Northern California the ones that are of course most people have heard about taking down hikers bikers etc. Is this kind of a typical story. We'll hear from her periodically through the show. Caller: Hi. And I saw you cat about four feet long from nose to tail come across from the water across the road and just leap over a six foot perimeter fence in a single bound. All of that remains unanswered but it is an extremely interesting question. I tracked cats and all the western states. Mountain Lions are a mythical creature in New Hampshire with strong feelings on both sides of the question: are there Mountain Lions in New Hampshire? These were normal everyday folks. If youve got photo trap evidence of a Mountain Lion, send it in, and we'll send it along to the appropriate state or federal agency! and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. Here she is talking about how to identify a mountain lion. People were calling the New Hampshire Fish and Game director's office saying why are you dragging your feet on this. They're the generalists that made it through both the arrival of the Clovis people with their with their spears and then the Europeans with their guns. Your support makes this news available to everyone. So I learned about what Rick just reported through a heart of heart of New Hampshire a letter and. Patrick Tate: In theory it's a passing ball of a court and it goes wherever the bottom Ball wants to go. Caller: Oh yeah. And you know it's rather interesting because certainly there are those you as a case of mistaken identity or they wanted to see something that perhaps they actually didn't. They kill big animals. This is not the same as saying that there has never been a mountain lion seen in New Hampshire. Sam Evans-Brown: Well this might be a good moment to talk about hoaxes. There's no attraction. Peter Biello: Sam I wanted to ask you a little bit about that first and then turn to Patrick Tate efficient game. We send out DNA samples to the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station. So maybe a good pet for you but not for your neighbor if you just stop by unannounced. Peter Biello: Rick I believe you did mention that that they do leave carcasses up in the tree from time to time but are there any other species known in New Hampshire to do this on a regular basis. Patrick Tate: I would say well when social media first started they picked up the hoaxes became much more prevalent in the last four or five years hoaxes have died down completely. Love hearing these stories. In recent years, number of reported cougar sightings has never dropped below double digits, according to data from New Hampshire's Fish & Game Department from 2010 to present day. New Hampshire Public Radio | Peter Biello: So let's say Rick that it was confirmed that there that there are mountain lines here in New Hampshire. Caller: And then there's the Lily Pond Road and then there's a six foot tall fence. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. And what was really remarkable about the whole thing was I was maybe a half mile down on all buildings. Patrick Tate: And there's one other way to model that is the same animal. Caller: Well I think Patrick I recognized your name. Which goes back to the Connecticut Connecticut cat and what not. MicroBios. Author of The last woman in the forest on Saturday July 13th at 7 p.m. at Warner town hall Warner historical dawg. Thanks for a great thanks. There's just one subspecies of North American mountain lion. Well just that I have evidence and it was not it was denied by fishing game at the time and I you know there's I don't need to prove to anybody that I saw one just like some of your callers said okay. Peter Biello: Wow. Sam Evans-Brown: One in fact Helena silver in that sort of tome that Rick van de Poll read from at the beginning is she. I saw a mountain lion on my property in NE corner of Dutchess County about 6 years ago -- the cat (or a cat) had been spotted many times over the years and was believed to have been introduced and escaped from a nearby Hunting Preserve. Let's talk to Mike in Webster. Patrick Tate: Nice talk to you too. They just end up in these places. Caller: Are probably. Incredible sighting and I called him the fish and game and they immediately sent me to a website to look at all the bobcat pictures. support for an HBO who comes from you our listener Sam from advanced in you a local New Hampshire nonprofit specializing in college student loans and student refinancing options. We want answers. If it's someone that has an illegal captive animal that is accustomed to humans those leave a lot of evidence because they want to go around humans to find food meaning they're used to being fed by humans. We'll be right back. Based on this blurry photo and pawprints, DEEP confirmed it was likely a mountain lion. Peter Biello: Yeah. So I hate the idea that there's some sort of upward you know downward pressure from the bosses saying Don't you know don't tell about the mountain lions because it'll scare away the tourists. The sightings have not been confirmed; in fact, there have been no confirmed mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire since one was shot and killed on the seacoast in the 1850s, said Patrick Tate . Caller: And the more I thought about it the color of it it was definitely not a bobcat. So you know until I found those two scats I didn't think that mountain lions were here in the east. lewis structure for ch2cl. The last catamount in Vermont is finally, officially, certainly dead. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. So the U.S. Forest Service Rocky Mountain Research Station has a database on mountain lion and they can identify. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. My YouTube Channel NH Fish and Game YouTube Channel My Facebook Page My Weekly Live Stream on the NH Wildlife Federation FB Page Home About Eric 2022 NH Nature Notes NH Wildlife NH Wildlife Deer Deer in NH Theres tracks everywhere. Possible Mountain Lion Sighting in New Hampshire CONCORD, N.H. -- The New Hampshire Fish and Game Department today reported that one of its staff members, following up on a routine report of a mountain lion sighting, saw what is believed to be a mountain lion in a rural area of Barnstead, N.H. They don't know the direction they're going. The views expressed in this program are those of the individuals and not those of an HP are its board of trustees or its underwriters. Listeners we'd love to hear some of your thoughts on this. For all the men out there that don't realize it. New Hampshire Fish and Game Department says there's no proof. You're on the air. John. Car Crash 65 Miles From Mass. "Of those three to five reports, one. There's no logic for why they'd be listed as an endangered species. And they used to be this whole list of the different subspecies of mountain lion and it has since been reduced to just to the North American and the South American. It's bigger but bigger and better world. It was a 140-pound male mountain lion, the first confirmed in Connecticut in more than 100 years. Good morning guys. Since then, there have been a handful of confirmed mountain. There wasn't a distinct subspecies the North American mountain lion is all is all one species and then you can find a genetically distinct South American subspecies. So one thing I'll add. The New Hampshire lion has become something of the state's own Big Foot, commonly discussed and rumored but never confirmed; at least, not since the 1850s, when the last mountain lion in the . Join as a sustainer and support independent local news for your community. He says when youve got a mountain lion in town, its kinda obvious. 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